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Welcome to the award-winning Champions Mojo hosted by two world record-holding athletes.
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Be inspired as you listen to conversations with champions and now your hosts, kelly Palace and Maria Parker.
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Hello friends, welcome to the Champions Mojo podcast.
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I'm your host, kelly Palace, and as usual, I am co-hosting with Maria Parker.
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Hey Maria, hey Kelly, it's great to be here with you today, great to see you, and what a treat we are in for today.
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Our special guest today is world-renowned swim coach Paul Newsom.
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All the way from Perth, australia, paul is the founder of SwimSmooth and if you don't know about SwimSmooth, you are really going to want to check this out and listen to this show.
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Paul is a former professional triathlete.
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He raced as part of the British world-class triathlon program while he was studying sports and exercise science at the University of Bath, and you are going to love the story of how Paul helped my own swimming performance from the other side of the world.
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We'll get to that later, but Paul is not only an amazing coach, he's an accomplished athlete himself.
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Maria, can you share more about Paul?
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Yes, Paul is an open water specialist who successfully completed the English Channel on 9 September 2011 in 12 hours and 14 minutes.
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He's completed the Rottenness Channel Swim four times, as well as won the 2013 Manhattan Island Marathon Swim.
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He also just completed his fifth Rottenness Crossing and, after 14 years of trying, finally broke five hours.
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Wow.
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Last year he won the Ultra Swim 33.3 in Montenegro and will be trying to defend his title here in a few weeks.
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But there's a lot more.
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Let's just get to Paul.
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Paul, welcome to Champions Mojo.
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Thanks so much for having me on.
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It's really great to be here.
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You are amazing.
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Yes, yes.
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So, Paul, first I've got to start with a little story of how we found you.
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How are you on the other side of the world?
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It's nighttime here and you're fresh in the morning, but we had to talk with you because my friends, my family, my swimming community all they've heard lately is Paul Newsome and Swim Smooth.
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It's literally like what is going on with Kelly.
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And now we have even more to tell as part of the story, because most of our listeners know that I just came off of our US Masters National Championship where I won five titles.
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I dropped all kinds of times.
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The time you swim and you look up at the board and you're like, did I really just drop 20 seconds in my 800?
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And so I am not kidding.
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And you're the middle of your age group.
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So this is an age group.
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And I'm the middle of my age group, which is even nicer, I didn't just age up.
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But in all seriousness, yes, we all have a team and when an athlete performs well, they have to work hard, they have to put in the work.
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But what this episode besides?
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We want to learn about what makes you a champion and what you think makes champions.
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But we also, I have finally realized how important, even at the top level of the sport, how important technique is.
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I think that I had been taking it for granted, but it was your videos, your swim smooth videos.
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Of watching those videos, I realized that I was doing something terribly wrong in my stroke.
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I had just somehow beared off the path of what really was my normal stroke.
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So I started doing a catch up stroke.
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I stopped doing my normal two beat kick.
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I started to try to do a six beat kick with a catch up stroke because, hey, I wanted to look like Katie Ledecky or Michael Phelps or the Olympian.
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So I watched your videos.
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You succinctly, scientifically told, very easy to understand, how those things that we're changing in our stroke can slow us down and we're looking at that every night literally made the change.
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In one night I was swimming the 1500 the next day and I dropped 45 seconds in that 1500.
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Then two weeks later, I had this national's result.
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It's because I am using your techniques.
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That's the long-winded story of why we're so excited about you, why we're so excited about Swim Smooth.
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Can you just give us some background?
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What Swim Smooth is, how?
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This is a revolutionary thing.
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I really believe it is where it started and where you are today.
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Thanks for that much, kelly.
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That's an amazing introduction.
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When you emailed me and reached out to me telling me that result, I was absolutely thrilled.
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It's great to hear from anybody who's been following our information around the world and how they've been.
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I was telling all my swim squad that I've got this lady over in America.
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She's just done this 1500-minute time long course, 50 meters and just over 20 minutes, 20 minutes and 13 seconds.
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We were all working out the average pace at that, because my squad work a lot off-pacing, as I'm sure your programs do as well.
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I was saying she's 62 years of age.
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She's averaging just over 120 for 100 for 1500 freestyle.
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Everyone's like, oh my God, oh my God, this is amazing.
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It was truly amazing.
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You were very kind in your introduction there to say that I've put together this logical, scientific approach and it was succinct, et cetera.
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A lot of the feedback that we've been getting is that the videos were actually just simply too long and we haven't been able to actually watch all the way through them, which is slightly disappointing really, because when you think about it, you spend an hour and a half in your training sessions.
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The longest video I've put out there is 30 minutes, if you think you can revolutionize and transform your swim session in 30 minutes in the pool and you're telling somebody that you can do that through a video, surely you'd actually listen into that.
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I think I hear from swimmers all the time and this is just going back to your question about how did this all start.
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I've always had the belief that people have actually been bombarded with so much information whether it's from a friend, another coach, something they've seen on TV or what have you and people come into swimming very confused.
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They're not sure what stroke works well for them.
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They've heard this bit of information, that bit of information, but fortunately that's only got works over the years.
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With social media I'm not to sing any of the influences out there and stuff like that, but when you've got to cram your information into 60 seconds and make it look pretty and you're scrolling through your phone and seeing all these images and all these bits of advice, it can become really quite overwhelming for people to see that and to try to take it on board.
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And what I wanted to do was just simply cut through the clutter with those that were my most recent five Stroke Correction hierarchy series.
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Just cut through that clutter and just say, hey, look, here's the evidence, here's the science, here's the logic.
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This is what I recommend you do.
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Go away and do it, and so I'm really glad.
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If you're the only person who's actually watched All the Way Brutes, that particular video and it's made a difference like that, then I'm happy with that.
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It's been well worth the effort of the biggie.
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Yeah, and Swimsuit was literally just born out of that.
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I created the program in 2004, so we're nearly 20 years old now, and I was just on the pool deck.
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On that pool deck right behind me in the video.
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If anybody's seeing this snippet, it's Challenge Stadium and it's been used for two world championship events.
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An amazing facility, three 50-meter swim calls all in the same facility.
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And when I arrived over here as a long-haired backpacker with a big beard and my beads on, I'd just be traveling around in near and southeast Asia.
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Somebody said you've got to go and see this facility.
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It's just the most amazing place.
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And I rocked up there and, sure enough, I was just blown away by it and luckily I got offered a job as the local triathlon coach and we had quite a big program.
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There's about 360 athletes in that program and just over the years, I've started to develop a way of coaching, if you like, a way of actually transferring that knowledge across to people, and I came up with this idea in 2004 that I wanted to be able to showcase those learnings in a video format.
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And, bearing in mind, this is way before YouTube or certainly before Instagram I actually came up with the idea of actually creating a three-part DVD series.
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It's like a DVD box set.
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And my mom came over from the UK and she said to me what are you going to do with the rest of your life, paul?
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You work into the local triathlon club.
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They're paying you $125 a week.
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You can't keep doing that for the rest of your life.
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I said I've got to have this idea.
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I want to create something.
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I want to put something out there, some videos that are going to help people.
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And the initial idea behind this was just to simply make sure that the swimmers in our squad knew why we were doing the techniques and why we're doing those drills.
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And she loaned me some money at $4,000 right back in the day, 2004, to actually put this DVD together and I was hoping to maybe sell 100 copies or something like that, and over the years I think we've sold 150,000 copies of that DVD box set.
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It's really just snowballed and it's really funny because just 20 years ago everyone's into online streaming now, but we still get extra people.
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Can you do a reprint of the original Swimmers Through DVD box set?
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I think it looks really nasty.
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To be honest, the audio quality is absolutely terrible.
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I look obviously a lot younger than I do right now, but the concept was to actually put this together.
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We had the Olympic gold medalist, bill Kirby from Hearing, but he was actually demonstrating all of the drills and we had 35 different drills on there.
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But we also showcased genuine footage and this is really quite important because a lot of times, people putting out videos saying, ok, don't do this and you'll see them actually doing the fault themselves, but it's not a genuine fault.
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What I wanted to do was actually get a whole host of genuine Swimmers doing stuff wrong that we can all relate to and then show them how to actually fix that.
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And by putting out this DVD box set again, quite a bit of reputation.
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Coaches started following what we're doing and that's where my biggest passion really is actually helping other coaches, help other Swimmers improve their own coaching, to actually help with that and, yeah, we just around out.
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In 2010, we got approached by British Triathlon and they said look, we want to use your coaching curriculum with all of our coaches in the UK and that's about 3,500 coaches.
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And four years later, in 2014, the International Triathlon Union our core, world Triathlon contacted us and said we want to use your methodology in 119 countries around the world.
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So that's where it went to from there, which is really nice.
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And it just started in this little pool in the background Not really a little pool, 50 meters, but nonetheless it started here.
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But not only is the proof in the putting and I remember Kelly describing you were able in your video to describe something very clearly, very succinctly, very simply that actually that Kelly went the next day and put into practice and took an amazing amount of time, but you also are able using your own techniques, I would assume to still be an amazing athlete yourself.
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So I think that says a lot for what you're doing and I love your passion for helping coaches.
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Thanks, marie.
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The interesting thing when I finished that race in Manhattan, I've got to say, kelly, manhattan is my favorite city in the whole planet.
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If I could live there, I would move there in a heartbeat.
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I love the place, absolutely love it I think it's all childhood movies watching it, stuff To have the opportunity to swim around there.
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In 2013, they'd actually ranked this 48 swimmer swimming and they had you have to have some of the English Channel to have done it.
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So that's why I did the English Channel in 2011 so I could do the Manhattan Swims.
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So two years later, we had to write us five thousand words say why we wanted to swim around New York.
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Wow, it was part of the.
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That was part of the entrance.
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It wasn't just sign up, pay us your money and let's do it.
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It was like no riders of five thousand would essay or why you want to swim around Manhattan.
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And I remember Maria reaching out and I didn't expect to win the event.
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They'd ranked me fourth.
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I don't know how they did that, but they expected me to finish fourth from that particular swim and I took over the lead after about two and a half hours and it's a seven hour swim, which is great when you work out the average pace of that.
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Ahmed have newies just swung an average of fifty eight point oh, eight seconds for the men's fifteen hundred at the world championships and my average pay, my average pace, there was Fifty eight seconds around Manhattan, but that's because of the wow.
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Wow, wow, so, yeah, so that was pretty good.
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I just remember Maria reaching out to the yeah, there's like a basic finishing boy.
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I reached out and touched the finishing boy at the end of the 48 kilometers I think it is and I just thought you know what I've?
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The program that I've followed so I should get around and win this race is the program that I've been using at that point for ten years with the swimmers up in coaching and it felt like it was a real, almost like a validation of what I've done, because the guy who finished second, he had a great swim.
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He was swimming a hundred and twenty kilometers per week in the training leading up to that.
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And I've got a young family you might have even just heard one or two of them just trying to say goodbye to me because they're off to school and the most I could fit in was about 35 to 40 classes training per week, and I think it's really important.
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You mentioned Kelly earlier on about technique.
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That's very important, and so too is your approach to the type of training you do and how much frequency volume you get in as well.
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Yes, that race is so elite.
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I know people that have done it and it is like one of the crown jewels of being an open water swimmer.
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So 28 miles and you are only training 35k a week for that.
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Yes, it's all I could fit in.
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I was running a business, my so 2013, my son would have been four and my daughter would have been what she had been should have been less than two years old when I was actually training for that.
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So you can imagine having a four-year-old and a two-year-old.
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My wife's a physiotherapist, so she's got her own business as well.
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I'm running my coaching.
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On a bull day.
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There's just simply no way that I could do the sort of volumes that I really wanted to do, so I just have to become really smart with the type of training that I was doing, and that's exactly what I did, and really that's that result there by far and away my best result in swimming as a kid you mentioned earlier on.
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Kelly, again, I really appreciate the sentiment you said about how you watch this one video and it transformed your swimming, but the reality is probably what that video really did.
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Was it just brought you back to where you should have been as an individual swimmer.
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You've got, you've done the hard yards, you've done the training and stuff.
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You said you'd experimented with a technique which wasn't quite working for you and really all the video did was it just pointed you back in the right direction, which is what the program, which is what swimsuit is all about.
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It's about working and making sure that the swimming technique works for you as an individual, and that's the same thing with math, and I couldn't fit the big distances and they're wanting to do.
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Just had to get really smart with it.
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Being smart, that that is such a key these days to performing well.
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So, maria, and I love to hear other because, compared to you two.
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So Maria does the ultra distance 12 hour bike races, 24 hour bike.
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She's a world record holder and has been in the 12 hour in the 24.
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So I'm in excruciating pain in a 20 minute race.
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Okay, so that is that's painful to me, but I still love to talk to other endurance athletes about pain.
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So when you Maybe Manhattan was the perfect race, because when you do hit that magical race, which sounds like Manhattan was for you, maybe you didn't have as much pain.
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But talk with us about all these open water swims, these distant swims that you're doing, where you hit that place, where, yeah, you're trying to hold on to your technique, you're trying to keep your mind, but let's talk about that mindset, part of being this champion that you are, and that you know the coach that you are.
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You know, I think, man, if in swimming teachers a big lesson in life, if you like, about keeping going and soldiering on and moving forwards and not looking back and just focusing on the way you're actually heading to, and I think with the marathon swimming events that I've done, man, you're quite right, manhattan did not feel hard at all.
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I it was so weird, it was almost like I was having an out-of-body experience.
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When I was actually swimming it, I People said to me wasn't the water dirty?
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Wasn't it smelly?
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Didn't you?
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Were you worried about getting sick?
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And I was worried about all of those things.
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But I remember the water looking like minty blue.
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He was just weird.
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It was 14 degrees Celsius, so what is that?
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56 degrees Fahrenheit and we're on wet suit, so we weren't allowed to wear a wetsuit, or in there for seven hours and a bit.
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And unfortunately, I People said, yeah, was it really hot?
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Can't tell them it was hard, because I actually felt Rillian on that swim, like everything just worked, like teetop basically went really well.
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That being said, of course I've done other swims where it's been terrible.
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I have really gone through the ring, as we call it over here in Australia, and the workouts certainly some of the workouts leading up to it were hard, so how do you manage that?
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Absolutely.
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I got a few friends who say train to, train smart, or train hard so that you can actually feel easy on the day, and that's really what it felt like for Manhattan.
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But it was an event the Montenegro event that I did last year.
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It's really interesting concept.
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So it's it's a four-day event.
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It's called the ultra swim 33.3, so four-day events.
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So it's a little bit like stage race, a little bit like 20 France, if you like, and I went over there.
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It was the inaugural event.
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Last year.
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They'd asked me to coach everybody who was who I was gonna race against, which was an interesting concept.
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So we rock up there.
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There was, I think there was about 50 people racing and I had to do a video analysis session with every single person.
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That's part of their entry.
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So over the four days I was actually racing, I was actually coaching 15 16 people a day as well.
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So we do the races morning enough to work for eight or nine, ten hours back to back to do the stroke correction with them, but unfortunately it left me feeling Absolutely terrible during that four four-day swim and the bad feeling in terms of the physical bad feeling that I had just the back to my mind and just thought gotta just keep going here.
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One stroke, one stroke, one stroke, one stroke, one stroke after the next.
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Basically a little bit Like Dory.
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I know everyone uses a terminology just keep swimming, just keep swimming.
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But it's absolutely true.
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And is it life like that is keeping soldiering on, moving forwards and making sure you're not looking backwards.
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Yeah, I love that.
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And so that self-talk literally is one stroke, one stroke, one stroke.
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Yeah, yeah, even for Manhattan.
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So Manhattan was freezing cold.
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He was on seasonably cold, but I hate getting into cold water just like anybody else.
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But I have I seem to have this sort of natural affinity once I'm in there and working well with it.
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So I've been and I couldn't focus on anything else other than just one stroke, the next.
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I've got a little mantra within swimsuit.
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I call it bubble breathe, which is just basically focus on your exhalation underneath the water.
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And people said to me how did you win that race?
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What did you do?
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And I said I was just thinking what did you do with technique?
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I was just saying bubble, bubble breathe, bubble, bubble breathe.
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And I think I worked it out.
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I said that 36,000 times.
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That's all I did.
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That's it.
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There's no, no magic to it, sort of being just literally Consistently saying the same thing over and over again.
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Maria, you're loving bubble bubble breathe, aren't you aren't?
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So, paul, maria is a new swimmer and you, she.
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I want her to ask you some new swimmer questions because so her very first swim race she's ever done.
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Remember, she's married to my brother, who is a great swimmer.
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Okay, he's sure he's a great swimmer, just excellent swimmer.
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We convinced Maria to do her first masters us masters race, which just happened to be our US national championship.
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You can do this.
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It's a two mile cable swim in Lake Placid.
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Oh, this was her first race and she did it.
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She, she did the race.
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But so a swimmer like Maria, who really is her technique, is Uncoached.
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She just is like somebody who Does triathlons.
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She swims in a triathlon and so when Jim and I look at her, we try to help her with general stuff.
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But if you were going to give some advice to just our listeners that are triathletes, or to Maria I love bubble bubble breathe.
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Is there anything else?
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Well, bubble bubble breathe is really useful because it just focuses and you sense as you're on one thing that you can control.
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So I like the idea and the concept with the bubble bubble breathe because it's just super, super simple.
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When people are nervous and anxious, the first thing they do is they tend to hold onto their breath, like this basically, and what they tend to do is they're going to a little bit of panic and they'll be going to take a breath in, but they'll still be blowing out when they should be breathing in.
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So just like getting them, say, bubble bubble in the water silly as that sounds it just helps you really focus on that rhythm.
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Another couple of little tips that I like, especially for new listeners, especially in the open water, is one if you're going to be wearing a wet suit, for example, a lot of people put these wet suits on and they don't spend the time putting them on properly, they don't pull them up properly over their shoulders and they tend to feel really quite tight and rigid.
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Wet suits should feel very nice and actually help you improve your swimming with the buoyancy, etc.
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But if you don't take the time to actually pull it on properly over the shoulders, we've got a really useful video on that.
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Actually, I call it the human shoevorn.